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Riffing on Risk

Updated: Jan 7, 2022

Since I started sharing with people how I trade, I've learned something that kind of surprised me:


Risk management is a difficult topic to discuss.


Probably because it means so many different things to different people. I often find myself feeling bad because I struggle to answer the most basic of questions people ask me, like “How many points should I risk on each trade?” or “How many contracts should I trade?”


I find myself thinking “Dude…I don’t know!” I’m not you, I have no idea how you trade, what your goals are, what your experience is, etc. etc. etc.


This is the conundrum with risk management: It’s arguably the most important part of trading yet so universally difficult to teach because no two people trade exactly alike and there’s no standard definition of what risk management means.


To help establish a baseline for this blog post, I’ll define risk management in the most basic sense as the process by which a trader attempts to avoid losing more than they make.


If we can all agree on that basic definition, I’d like to share with you how I think about risk as a trader. As in, how I view risk management as a whole, not in regards to specific trades. As some of you know, I primarily trade futures intraday, but I also swing stocks and buy/sell options premium occasionally. So this blog post is about how I approach risk management in the long-term, which might help explain why I trade the way I do.


Ok, introduction over…let’s get into it.


Let’s start with 2 very basic factors in determining positional risk:

  1. Likelihood that I am correct in my thesis

  2. My position size


Logically, there should be a positive linear relationship between these 2 factors. The more likely I am to be correct when entering a trade, the larger my position size should be.


Some of you have watched the “How I Day Trade” videos I released and it should be no surprise that I approach trading like gambling. If you haven’t seen the videos, I use the analogy of poker. In poker, you start with a stack of chips (i.e. your trading capital), and good poker players wait for hands where they know they have a statistical edge based on the strength of the cards. When they receive a “strong” hand they bet accordingly (i.e. heavily). During tournament poker, a key part of any winning strategy is the ability to fold hands that are unlikely to win. To me, it’s the same in trading. You have to be willing to cut losers and/or wait patiently for a setup that has demonstrated a high likelihood of success in the past. This core concept is what I’m referring to in Factor #1 (the likelihood that I’m correct in my thesis). If I’m entering a trade in the middle of nowhere, with no key Support/Resistance, no clear order flow information, etc., well that trade is essentially a coin toss…the market is just as likely to move against me as it is to move in my favor. To stay with the poker analogy, that’s a hand I would fold.


But let’s say the market is at a key area of confluence, and there’s a VERY good change it’ll change direction, and I’m seeing order flow to support that thesis…well now I have a slight edge, so technically my position size should increase from whatever my minimum size currently is. We can represent this thinking with a basic graph:


Wouldn’t it be nice if risk management was just this simple? It’s not. Now we have to introduce a third factor on our Z axis: Time.

Specifically, the time it will take me to know if I am right or wrong in my thesis.


You might be thinking, “Horse what the hell does time have to do with risk management?”


That’s a valid question. It has to do with opportunity cost.


Again referencing our poker analogy, I have a limited stack of chips. I cannot place unlimited large bets with high conviction. I have to “manage” my chip stack, my capital. Therefore, I can’t have too much tied up for an indeterminate amount of time hoping my thesis is correct. For me, it’s sort of a “shit or get off the pot” scenario. The longer I have to wait to know if I’m correct absolutely impacts my likelihood of being correct AND my position size. In my opinion, this is why macro investing is so difficult. You could enter a position with a very sound thesis, but over time things change and you end up being dead-ass wrong…through no fault of your own. The more time that elapses, the more opportunity for things to change that impact your initial thesis. Sometimes those unknown factors are positives, but more often than not they seem to be negatives because your initial thesis generally accounted for the positives, right?


Earlier I used the word “process” to describe risk management. I absolutely view it as an ongoing process. Things change in markets—therefore I need to be prepared to change as well in order to properly manage risk in the long term.


So back to opportunity cost. I'm a trader in this for the long haul, I need to adjust position sizes and stoplosses based on new information and time.


Here’s a couple examples:


DWAC


One of my best equity trades this year was the DWAC SPAC (Note: Unintentional yet hilarious rhyme). Here’s how it went down and how I thought about it in my weird “mental risk model” that we’re discussing:


I developed a thesis for the trade after the markets were closed for the day. I heard the news about Trump possibly getting involved with a SPAC deal. I checked the price of DWAC after-hours and it was sitting almost at NAV (~$10), which had me scratching my head…why hadn’t this thing run? Well the answer was simple: The news JUST broke and it wasn’t priced in yet. So I decided that I’d take a very large position size pre-market the next day because I figured my likelihood of being correct (e.g. that it would pump on the news) was very high. I also factored in the time for our thesis to play out (our z axis) and determined that I’d know RIGHT away if I was right or not. The likelihood of it falling below NAV was extremely low, so it was “all systems go” for me and time to make an aggressive trade. The rest, as they say, is history.


GOLD


Another example that better showcases adjusting my risk management approach using the 3 factors we’ve discussed is a recent gold swing trade I took. In the final days of September, I started a large swing trade in gold micro futures (more on why I like the micros for gold some other time). The inflation narrative was picking back up, and even though gold is a bona fide piece of shit for an inflation hedge, my thesis was that the general public is too dumb to know that, plus gold had recently been beaten to a pulp and I figured it was oversold and there was an opportunity to BTFD. I also figured portfolios would be getting rebalanced Sept 30-Oct 1 and IF gold was to run it would likely happen FAST due to EOM rebalancing. Additionally, the techincals looked good to me as well…so all of the factors I was looking for were there: A reasonable bull thesis based on the incompetence of Average Joe investors, likely bounce area from a technical perspective, and I’d know quickly if I was right or wrong due to EOM (plus some key FedTalks and inflation data drops were on the horizon).


Some of you may remember from my obnoxious Twitter bragging, but I practically bottom ticked it and gold took off on a nice ~7.5% bull run.


But I’d be lying if I said I held that position full size for the entire run. I didn’t.


I trimmed it and I’ll tell you why: My mental model for long-term risk management changed. In early November gold started to slip again, so I naturally questioned 2 of my key factors: Likelihood of being correct and time.


At this point, I had been in the position for over a month and truthfully I thought it would run harder than it did given the intensity of the inflation narrative. The index futures were looking more and more attractive in early November, as I was anticipating seasonal bullishness and continuation of recent momentum. So things began to shift on my mental risk model. Did I really want that many of my “chips” tied up in that one “hand” anymore, or would it be better deployed somewhere else? I determined it was time to trim the position considerably…of course gold ended up ripping right after that because, well, fuck gold lol. But hopefully you get the point of this example: If I deem the likelihood of continuing to be correct has decreased AND the time it will take me to know is longer than anticipated, then I will actively manage my exposure (risk) and make changes.



These are ever-changing factors. As soon as you enter a trade they begin to change. This is the main reason I prefer to trade futures intraday: I am better at it than equities/options (therefore I typically have a higher likelihood of being correct) and I know IMMEDIATELY if I am right or wrong. Since futures are a leveraged product, I am able to quickly size accordingly…and size large if the thesis is strong.


One of the reasons I decided to write this post is to help you better understand why I am not phased in the least when one of my “Quickies” (usually equity swing trades) doesn’t pan out. The position size is typically negligible compared to day trading futures because my conviction is usually much lower and the time it takes me to know if I’m right or wrong is usually much longer. It may seem weird to you, but it’s all part of a holistic way of managing risk throughout my trading journey.


I love seeing a great equity swing trade pan out over time. Absolutely love it. But I’m also very realistic about my strengths, so my risk management approach needs to align with that awareness. When I see large orders on the Limit Order Book tipping their hand at a key level of confluence, I am usually VERY certain what is about to happen in the next 5 to 10 minutes. I can’t say the same for swing trading stocks, therefore I can’t size the same.


Now, I don’t want you to read this and leave thinking there’s anything wrong with the classic “risk 1-2% of your capital per trade” approach to risk management…there isn’t. Everyone is different. I’m just simply providing a different way of approaching risk management in its entirety. Even if you’re very disciplined about only risking 1-2% per trade, things change once you take the position! All I’m suggesting is to view true risk management as a fluid process, not a stagnant one.


I’m a firm believer that to be a sustainable trader, risk needs to be viewed on a “macro” scale. For example, I mentioned in the “How I Day Trade” videos that my sizing for short trades is ALWAYS smaller than my sizing for long trades. Why? Because markets are inherently bullish due to the incredible amount of passive investing flows. Seems like a small detail, right? Maybe. But not if you plan to sustainably trade for years to come.


That’s what I want to do, and that’s what I want for you…no matter how you do it.


So I hope this post is at least thought-provoking if nothing else. I know we didn’t get into the details of stoplosses and stuff, but I think that warrants its own post. For now, I just wanted to expand on how I think about risk management from a philosophical perspective.


Thanks for reading and thanks for being here.



Horse

23 comentários


Tobias Rademacher
Tobias Rademacher
15 de dez. de 2021

thank you Horse, very valuable stuff and coming from poker to trading I loved the comparison you made. I tend to stick too much to the 1% rule, never risking more, but never risking less either and there were times where my conviction changed while in the trade and I could have cut the it or at least reduced size but didn't only to experience a full loss on the position at the end. I definately need to rethink this approach and this post gave a lot of things to think about

Curtir
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16 de dez. de 2021
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Thanks for the feedback! And by no means am I advocating that people take on more risk, that's going to be a personal decision for everyone. I'm just simply sharing how I manage my allocated capital for trading, which is separate from investing. I view my trading capital as my "stack of chips" 🍻

Curtir

"my sizing for short trades is ALWAYS smaller than my sizing for long trades"


--neat to read this from an accomplished futures trader; with equities I tend to have a short bias because of the velocity of price and level loss vs. gain in those markets, but find myself (as a new futures trader) tending to favor the long side for the indices. I hadn't really vocalized it before, which you do so well above.

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08 de dez. de 2021
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Oh trust me, I LOVE trading the short side lol. But if you zoom out and look at it from the perspective of many years, there's more risk associated with trading short on a day-to-day basis, therefore I want to size accordingly, even if it's slight. For example, if your standard scalp size is 5 contracts, then make your standard short size 4. I think most people would laugh at this difference but it's just how I think!

Curtir

Dude, bravo. As I'm working through the videos I'm starting to get numb to how often you outdo yourself.


If I could clear 500 NQ points in a day I wouldn't need a lot of subscription fees either, but you could 10x the monthly fee and still be a screaming bargain.

Curtir
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08 de dez. de 2021
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Haha thanks Boog. I know nobody will ever believe me, but the paywall was intended to keep people from copying my work (which was happening more and more) and create a community where likeminded people WANT to be and interact. It's amazing how something as little as $5 a month keeps the trolls and plagiarizers away (they are a lazy bunch of fools lol). And btw, 500pts a day is not the norm lol. That's an exceptional day for me, but that's how trading works. We wait patiently for the days where the environment is right to exploit the market, and try not to give too much back on less-than-desirable days (cough like today cough). 😂

Curtir

Great post Horse. Rules such as 1-2% are simple to present and are likely designed to stop many people from getting in too much trouble. But, such rules are arbitrary and treat each setup like it is the same.


Your thinking about risk on three planes requires more thinking and ongoing evaluation of the trade, but ultimately makes much more sense. You are also in good company in your thinking on conviction. The greatest investors "all only have one thing in common, and it's the exact opposite of what they teach in a business school, they make large concentrated bets where they have a lot of conviction..." - Druckenmiller

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08 de dez. de 2021
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Great Druck quote, I love it! And I agree, I think proper risk management is a never ending fluid process. I feel this way because I've experienced way too many trades where I was right in my thesis, but ended up giving all the profits back because I didn't take the time to assess how conditions have changed. The trade entry is really just the beginning, the work happens after!

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Grateful Trading
Grateful Trading
08 de dez. de 2021

It's about time someone tackled this. Well done.

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08 de dez. de 2021
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Thanks Grateful, appreciate that!

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